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Retzius
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Posted - 02/04/2009 :  21:16:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,

Anyone have a SSD on thier P7010? I know they are faster, cooler, and better but they are expensive. Anyone who personally has one installed notice a difference in heat and speed care to comment?

Any idea where I can find the cheapest? Who has done it and which model # do I look for. I search on this forum but only found tmt's post. I know saw some other post but I cant find it anymore. Thanks.

tmt
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Posted - 02/04/2009 :  22:16:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Retrofitting an SSD to the older P7K's is basically the same as the post of mine you
found, but it's easier because the older models have a PATA 2.5" drive. This means a
lot more room to work, in general. You could take the 1.8" ZIF approach like I did in
my P7230, but you'd need a different adapter, from the 44-pin mini-IDE to the ZIF.
Those are readily available.

Or, I believe MTron makes several SSD 2.5" IDE drives that will literally plug right in,
the MSD-PATA1025/3025/7025. Good luck in your hunt.

Don't expect miracles for short money though. Read up first.

Tom.
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Retzius
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USA
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Posted - 02/04/2009 :  22:36:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Tom,

I know I saw someone else post an SSD drive on thier P7010 but I cant find it anymore. Maybe I saw it in another forum. Hey tom are you from San Diego? I'm in Escondido, CA. Thought I saw that somewhere. Anyhow, thanks for the info.

One more question Tom, did you notice a difference in the temp/fan of your notebook? Did it run cooler with the new SSD. Thanks.

Edited by - Retzius on 02/05/2009 00:42:50
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Retzius
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Posted - 02/05/2009 :  04:53:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay I did some research and it seems that the 1.8" mtron SSD is the cheaper one. With that said, which adapter for my p7010 or are they the same? They look different, one had leds.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ZIF-1-8-to-2-5-IDE-Hard-Disk-Adapter-for-Laptop-20-592_W0QQitemZ120373631580QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item120373631580&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

or

http://cgi.ebay.com/ZIF-CE-1-8-to-IDE-2-5-44-Pin-Laptop-Adapter-Converter_W0QQitemZ180326018228QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Cables_Adapters?hash=item180326018228&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
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tmt
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Posted - 02/05/2009 :  07:06:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The two adapters are functionally the same, but I'd recommend the first one as it is
simpler and thinner. I did not notice any significant change in temperature of my
notebook, mine had a 1.8" drive to begin with. I'm not from San Diego.

Tom.
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Retzius
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Posted - 02/05/2009 :  19:17:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I has hoping for cooler running temps. Oh well, I guess you cant have it all.
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Retzius
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Posted - 02/07/2009 :  07:04:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Tom,

I read some more and it turns out the OCZ SSD's are pretty solid and demonstrated better overall performance in a review (forgot which one) than mtron SSD's. I am now interested in this one because they offer larger sizes and are priced reasonably.

Anyhow, my question is if it is possible to use this converter, http://cgi.ebay.com/Newest-2-5-3-5-Drive-SATA-to-ATA-IDE-Converter-Adapter_W0QQitemZ220345298072QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item220345298072&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

and convert my 44 pin IDE to accept a SATA hard drive? Will this work on the P7010 or am I missing something.

Here is another link I found, this one looks more for a laptop

http://www.cooldrives.com/2sahadrtoide.html

Edited by - Retzius on 02/07/2009 15:29:38
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tmt
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Posted - 02/07/2009 :  22:56:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I doubt that your P7010 has room for any of that stuff. Going from IDE to SATA isn't
going to perform well, but even then, the 1.8" drives use a "micro SATA" connector
so you'd need two adapters. I really recommend a regular 2.5" IDE, or a 1.8" ZIF IDE
with a single 44->ZIF adapter.

Tom.
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Retzius
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USA
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Posted - 02/08/2009 :  00:34:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I know, I thought performance might suffer from the adapters too. I just hate being stuck with 32GB and knowing my luck, a larger capacity SSD will be released as soon as buy the 1.8" 32 GB SSD. Oh, decisions! Thanks Tom.
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tmt
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Posted - 02/08/2009 :  11:24:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The IDE-IDE adapters won't affect performance at all, they are simply pin converters.

Tom.
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Retzius
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Posted - 02/09/2009 :  03:04:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Alright, well I finally shelled out the $$ for a 32 GB mtron SSD. Can't wait to install it. I also bought this adapter to go with it, http://cgi.ebay.com/ZIF-1-8-to-2-5-IDE-Hard-Disk-Adapter-for-Laptop-20-592_W0QQitemZ120373631580QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item120373631580&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

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Retzius
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Posted - 02/18/2009 :  13:54:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey tom,

I just got my parts in for the SSD drive upgrade. I have a 1.8" mtron and got this adapter http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Addonics-AAT18ZIF25-1-8-ZIF-to-2-5-IDE-Adapter_W0QQitemZ400026069589QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Storage?hash=item400026069589&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

Now, this adapter doesnt have two ZIF cables. Should I be worried? I checked your thread but you dont mention which cable you used. Which do I use for the 1.8 mtron SSD? The one I have only has Toshiba, am I ok? Thanks.
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Retzius
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USA
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Posted - 02/18/2009 :  15:34:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I got it to work!

I ordered a different adapter because the one I had previously ordered still hasnt arrived. It was too agonizing to wait. I'll just hold onto the other one when I change the HD drive on my g/f's computer to SSD.
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tmt
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2760 Posts

Posted - 02/19/2009 :  00:19:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Toshiba-type is the thinner one and it's the type all drives use. There are some
connectors where the Toshiba thickness is a little tight, but as you found, they all
work. Glad you got it working!

Tom.
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Retzius
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USA
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  00:50:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I got benchmarks, check it out!
Looks like I am getting faster writing speeds than what I've seen!

Mtron 32GB MSD-PATA3018 on P7010D


Here is a second take!


Edited by - Retzius on 02/19/2009 01:31:55
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CLLO
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USA
73 Posts

Posted - 02/20/2009 :  22:24:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for sharing the info.

Not bad - this is around what I have with my desktop (1.5tb Barracuda) on a Promise add-on SATA card.

My P7010's Scorpio 250gb pull in only around 53-54mb/sec on the high end.

Along with the zero-seek-time and the zero-latency-time, this ssd should be out performing the 1.5tb Barracuda. Too bad the $$$ per gb is so much more than the regular HDD.

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Retzius
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Posted - 02/21/2009 :  01:55:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was hoping for more cooler temps with the ssd but I really havent noticed a change. However, pdf's, photoshop, and word documents open up real fast now.
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CLLO
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USA
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Posted - 02/25/2009 :  19:47:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Raw numbers aside...

How is the responsiveness. Boot time? Speed in starting say MS word or other popular apps?
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Retzius
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USA
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Posted - 02/26/2009 :  01:18:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Boot time I think is around the same or slightly slower than my 7K rpm 64gb Hitachi hard drive. Its weird because when fujitsu appears it loads fast then I get this long black screen pause before I see the windows screen. Once in windows, it will load up much faster than my previous HD. I will post some videos so you can see soon.

Speed in loading MS word and other apps is blazing fast. Opening photoshop and using it is also faster. I think photoshop opens up in about 4 sec or less. I can be working in photoshop and run other applications with no problems.
Before when I would open PDF files I could feel the lag, now they load up in less than a sec, (huge difference). I also bought another 1gb stick from memoryten as memorysuppliers memory sticks did not work for me. There is a definite improvement in performance I only wish SSD drives would drop in price and have more space like 128 GB instead of 32 gb.
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jafar
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USA
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Posted - 03/01/2009 :  17:53:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, your write speeds are more than double of what I'm getting. I get the feeling there's a bug in the ICH6-M Chipset with SSD's. You're running an ICH4-M Chipset. I tried to disable my SATA Controller through the bios to see if it would make a difference and it didn't. I wonder why mine is writing at a much slower pace.

You should also run a couple of Crystal Disk Marks to see what random read and write performance looks like.
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CLLO
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USA
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Posted - 03/02/2009 :  19:59:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
".128g...ssd...drop in price..."

Transcend has a 64g (slower M series) now goes for just $170'ish. The read/write is 75/45 (mb/s). I have not seen anyone carrying their faster S series in PATA. (85/75 mb/s).

I love higher speed, but size is also addictive. I can't see dropping from my 250gb to 64...

I think that long blank screen is while the system is doing something network related. I have seen the blank screen delay cutting much shorter when my WiFi is switched off during boot.



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Retzius
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USA
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Posted - 03/11/2009 :  00:37:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jafar

Wow, your write speeds are more than double of what I'm getting. I get the feeling there's a bug in the ICH6-M Chipset with SSD's. You're running an ICH4-M Chipset. I tried to disable my SATA Controller through the bios to see if it would make a difference and it didn't. I wonder why mine is writing at a much slower pace.

You should also run a couple of Crystal Disk Marks to see what random read and write performance looks like.



I am not familiar with crystal disk marks but will investigate it. Any help is appreciated.

CLLO,

The limited space does suck. I had to back up a lot of my data to an external HD. I am sure in a few years larger capacity SSD drives will be available.
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woodz93
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USA
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Posted - 03/16/2009 :  13:11:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Retzius

quote:
Originally posted by jafar

Wow, your write speeds are more than double of what I'm getting. I get the feeling there's a bug in the ICH6-M Chipset with SSD's. You're running an ICH4-M Chipset. I tried to disable my SATA Controller through the bios to see if it would make a difference and it didn't. I wonder why mine is writing at a much slower pace.

You should also run a couple of Crystal Disk Marks to see what random read and write performance looks like.



I am not familiar with crystal disk marks but will investigate it. Any help is appreciated.

CLLO,

The limited space does suck. I had to back up a lot of my data to an external HD. I am sure in a few years larger capacity SSD drives will be available.



I started the thread on SSD in a P5020. Memoright claims their SSD's are immune to that ICHx 80mb bottleneck that is apparent looking at the benchmark image.

I am totally loving the SSD in my P5020 - it's the MTron Pro 7000. Initially i did go with the Mobi 3000 and the ZIF to PATA converter - but that gave me a boot hang of about 5 seconds.
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